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  1. Andrea Lawlor Oral History

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: NYC Trans Oral History Project
    Creator: Lawlor, Andrea
    Date: Aug. 18, 2019
    Topics: Gender diversity, Gender identity, Literature, Transgender community, Transgender people, Working class
    Subject: Paul Takes the Form of a Mortal Girl
    Description: Andrea Lawlor teaches writing at Mount Holyoke College and is author of the novel Paul Takes the Form of a Mortal Girl (2017). In this interview, Lawlor discusses growing up in a working-class comm...
  2. Tuesday Smillie Oral History

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: NYC Trans Oral History Project
    Creator: Smille, Tuesday
    Date: Oct. 11, 2019
    Topics: Activists, Animal rights activists, Artists, Childhood, Coming out, Ethnic groups, Family members, Gay liberation, Gender diversity, LGBTQ+ relationships, Social classes, Transgender community, Transgender people, Visual arts, Zines
    Subject: Adele Carpenter, Ali Forney Center, Kirsten Rossi, Michelle O'Brien, Sergio Rodriguez, Silence of the Lambs, Street Transvestites Action Revolutionaries (STAR), Ursula K. Le Guin, Wangechi Mutu
    Description: (Photo of Tuesday and interviewer Michelle). Tuesday Smillie is a visual artist whose work grapples with power and violence. In this interview, Tuesday recounts her coming out in a radical queer yo...
  3. Sandra Mesics Oral History

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: NYC Trans Oral History Project
    Creator: Mesics, Sandra
    Date: Jan. 14, 2019
    Topics: Childhood, Crossdressers, Crossdressing, Drag, Drag balls, Drag queens, Family members, Femininities, Gender diversity, Gender realignment surgery, Health care, HIV/AIDS, Hormones, Insurance, Journalists, Mardi gras, Marriage, Peace movement, Pronoun, Religions, Roman catholicism, Secrecy, Steel industry and trade, Surgery, Transgender community, Transgender people
    Subject: Angela Douglas, Betty Johnson, Bobby Ray, Brandy Alexander, Christine Jorgensen, David Wesser, Divine, Eddie Joe Stark, Elizabeth Coffey, Empathy Press, Eromin (Erotic Minorities) Center, Fantasia Fair, Gay Liberation Front, Harry Benjamin, Image, Jack O'Brien, John Money, John Ronald Brown, Lee Brewster, National Enquirer, National Insider, Neptune Productions, Pink Flamingos, Pudgy Roberts, Rachel Harlow, Radical Queens, Reed Erickson, Richard Finocchio, Stonewall Rebellion, The Daily Collegiate, The Transsexual Phenomenon, Third World Communications, Transsexual Action Organization (TAO), Transsexualism and Sex Reassignment, Transvestia, United Transvestites Transsexual Society (UTTS), Virginia Prince, Zelda Suplee
    Description: andra Mesics is a registered nurse and midwife and has been the director of St. Luke’s School of Nursing since 2004. In this conversation with AJ Lewis, Sandy describes accessing hormones and surge...
  4. Robbi Ann Mecus Oral Hisory

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: NYC Trans Oral History Project
    Creator: Mecus, Robbi Ann
    Date: Aug. 23, 2019
    Topics: Anti-gay violence, Anti-transgender violence, Bathrooms, Crossdressing, Disabilities, Drag, Family members, Femininities, Forest rangers, Gay pride, Gender, Gender diversity, Gender identity, Gentrification, Health care, Homophobia, Internalized homophobia, Lesbians, LGBTI community, Machismo, Masculinities, Parenthood, Passing (Gender), Police, Pronoun, Racism, Religions, Roman catholicism, Secrecy, Sexism, Siblings, Trade unions, Transgender community, Transgender people, Transitioning (Gender), Transphobia, Transsexual people, Visibility
    Subject: 2017 Women's March, Bizarre Bushwick, Donald Trump, Kate Bornstein, Renee Richards, Rocky Horror Picture Show, Second Serve, Stonewall, The Gender Expression Non-Discrimination Act (GENDA), Trans Day of Action
    Description: In this interview, Robbi Ann Mecus describes her journey from growing up with her family, experiencing gender dysphoria in a working-class neighborhood in Brooklyn, New York City, to living as her ...
  5. McKenzie Wark Oral History

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: NYC Trans Oral History Project
    Creator: Wark, McKenzie
    Date: Jun. 20, 2019
    Topics: Abortion, Bisexuality, Childhood, Children, Cruising (LGBTQ+ culture), Femininities, Gay men, Gender, Gender diversity, Gender dysphoria, Hormones, Immigration, Journalists, LGBTQ+ parents, LGBTQ+ relationships, Mardi gras, Marxism, Masculinities, MtFs, Peace movement, Pronoun, Punk, Sexuality, Substance use in LGBTQ+ communities, Trade unions, Transgender community, Transgender people, Transgender studies, Transitioning (Gender), Upbringing, Writers
    Subject: Christen Clifford, Kathy Acker, Macquarie University, The New School of Social Reserach, Ugenia College, University of Technology Sydney
    Description: McKenzie Wark discusses their career as a cultural critic, journalist, academic, and author. They came of age as a radical and writer in underground counterculture scenes in Australia, moving to Ne...
  6. Kate Bornstein Oral History

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: NYC Trans Oral History Project
    Creator: Bornstein, Kate
    Date: Nov. 4, 2019
    Topics: Activists, Actors, Buddhism, Cancer, Chat rooms, Childhood, Counseling, Crossdressers, Crowdsourcing, Cults, Death and dying, Drag queens, Ethnic groups, Femininities, Film, FtMs, Fundraising, Gender, Gender diversity, Gender realignment surgery, Health, Health care, Lesbians, LGBTI community, Overweight people, Postmodernism, Religions, Scientology, SM, Suicide, Theatre, Transgender community, Transgender people, Transgender studies, Women's studies, World war II, Wrestling, Writers, Youth
    Subject: 9/11 Terror Attacks, A Queer and Pleasant Danger, A Thousand and One Ways to Live Without Working, America Online (AOL), B'hai, Barbara Carrellas, Christine Jorgensen, Church of Scientology, Gazebo, Gender Just for the Fun of it: Compassionate Gender Strategies for Divisive Times, Gender Outlaw, Hello Cruel World, I Am Cait, Jamison Green, Laura Vogel, Lee Sullivan, On Our Backs, Power Surge, Tuli Kupferberg, We Croak
    Description: Kate Bornstein discusses her life as a writer and actor. Moving between growing up in a Jewish family on the New Jersey shore, studying acting in school, joining the Church of Scientology, finding ...
  7. Interview with Jules Gleeson

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: NYC Trans Oral History Project
    Creator: Gleeson, Jules
    Date: Nov. 4, 2019
    Topics: Academics, Activists, Anime, Arab-Israeli conflict, Black people, Capitalism, Childhood, Comic books, strips, etc., Coming out, Communism, Cults, Discrimination, Feminism, Gay clergy, Gay men, Gender, Gender diversity, Gender dysphoria, Gender identity, Health care, Hormone therapy, Hormones, Immigration, Internet, Intersex, LGBTI community, Liberation theology, Literature, Night life, Peace movement, Physical affection, Police, Racism, Right-wing extremists, Roman catholicism, Sexual harassment, Social media, Transgender community, Transgender people
    Subject: Amnesty International Club, Anti-Scientology, British National Party, Donald Trump, Fairy Tales, Group of Eight (G8), Hillary Clinton, Historical Materialism Conference, Jesus College Cambridge, Julius, King's College London, New York Police Department (NYPD), Osteoporosis, Palestine, Stonewall, United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP), Werewolf The Apocalypse
  8. Iele Paloumpis Oral History

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: NYC Trans Oral History Project
    Creator: Paloumpis, Iele
    Date: Mar. 6, 2019
    Topics: Abuse, Androgyny, Baptist church, Childhood, Christianity, Dancers, Disabilities, Eastern orthodox churches, Education, Humanistic, Gay theology, Gender diversity, Gender studies, HIV/AIDS, Homophobia, LGBTQ+ theology, Liberation theology, Occultism, Pronoun, Sexually abused LGBTQ+ children, Spirituality, Terminal care, Transgender community, Transgender people, Transphobia, Working class
    Subject: Arts and Literact Program, Coalition for Hispanic Family Services, End-of-Life Doula, Hollins University
    Description: iele is a nonbinary dance artist and end-of-life doula from Chicago. They describe growing up in the conservative Greek Orthodox Church, surviving domestic abuse, and homelessness, before leaving C...
  9. Hayden Gibson Oral History

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: NYC Trans Oral History Project
    Creator: Gibson, Hayden
    Date: Jul. 27, 2019
    Topics: Adoption, Bars, Change of name, Christianity, Gender diversity, Homophobia, Job applications, Judaism, LGBTI community, Librarians, Police, Punk, Sexism, Writers
    Subject: Brooklyn Pride, Dyke March, Fun Home, Ginger's, Henrietta Hudson's, Left Hand of Darkness, Oranges Aren't the Only Fruit, Stonewall
    Description: Hayden Gibson was born in Calhoun Falls, South Carolina. In this interview, Hayden shares their experiences about growing up in an adopted evangelical family, making the courageous move to New York...
  10. Hannah Baer Oral History

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: NYC Trans Oral History Project
    Creator: Baer, Hannah
    Date: Feb. 19, 2019
    Topics: Anti-transgender violence, Buddhism, Capitalism, Femininities, Feminists, Gender, Gender diversity, Gender identity, Group relations training, Health care, Higher education, Homophobia, Insurance, Judaism, Masculinities, Microaggressions, Music, Plastic surgery, Psychology, Psychotherapy, Racism, Sexism, Social media, Transgender community, Transgender people, Transitioning (Gender), Transphobia, Writers
    Subject: Against Me!, Eileen Fisher, Facial Feminization Surgery (FFS), Jews for Racial & Economic Justice (JFREJ), Joseph Stern Center for Social Responsibility (JCC), Transcend Legal
  11. Barms Oral History

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: NYC Trans Oral History Project
    Creator: Barms
    Date: May 17, 2019
    Topics: Anarchism, Anthropology, Anti-transgender violence, Art history, Autism spectrum disorders, Bars, Bisexual identity, Bisexuality, Childhood, Children, Christianity, Class struggle, Clubs, Coming out, Communism, Construction workers, Disabilities, Femininities, Gender, Gender diversity, Gender dysphoria, Gender role, Gentrification, Hate speech, Homophobia, Internet, Labour movement, LGBTQ+ relationships, Marxism, Masculinities, Mental disorders, New Left, People with disabilities, Performance art, Pronoun, Religions, Sexuality, Socialism, Solidarity, Surgery, Transgender community, Transgender people, Transitioning (Gender), Transphobia, Writers
    Subject: 9/11 Terror Attacks, A Red Bloom, Chris O'Feeley, Me Too Movement, Michael Bloomberg, Pratt Institute, Queer Workers Project, Rudy Guiliani, Sam Goody, True Scum
    Description: Barms is a construction worker apprentice and a communist. In this interview, they discuss the role of philosophy and abstract thinking for themselves and many trans people as a strategy of managin...
  12. Amanda Armstrong Oral History

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: NYC Trans Oral History Project
    Creator: Armstrong, Amanda
    Date: Mar. 21, 2019
    Topics: Androgyny, Anti-transgender violence, Bathrooms, Bullying, Childbirth, Childhood, Clothing, Coming out, Communism, Counseling, Counterculture, Death penalty, Education, Family members, Feminists, Gay liberation, Gender, Gender diversity, Gender dysphoria, Gender role, Hormones, Labour, LGBTI community, LGBTQ+ parents, Liberalism, Menstruation, Middle class, Motherhood, MtFs, New Left, Police, Politics, Psychology, Religions, Resistance movements, Rural areas, Sexual assault, Socialism, Sports, Transgender movement, Transgender people, Transitioning (Gender), Transsexualism, Visibility, White people
    Subject: 9/11 Terror Attacks, Academic Workers for a Democratic Union, American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), Industrial Workers of the World (I.W.W.), Karl Marx, Occupy Oakland, Oscar Grant, Ralph Nader, Swarthmore College, Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminism (TERF), University of California Student-Workers Union (UAW)
    Description: Amanda Armstrong recounts her organizing as a graduate student militant in the 2009-2012 protest wave in Berkley and Oakland. She joined occupations and building take-overs organized by students an...
  13. Interview with Nichole Moravec

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: Jean-Nickolaus Tretter Collection, University of Minnesota
    Creator: Moravec, Nichole
    Date: Mar. 30, 2017
    Topics: Acceptance, Appearance, Bathrooms, Binders (Materials), Bullying, Colleges, Coming out, Divorce, Family members, Gender diversity, Internet, Intersectionality (Sociology), Lesbian identity, Masculinities, Pronoun, Sexuality, Social advocacy, Therapies, Transgender people, Transphobia
    Subject: Mumbletech
    Description: Nichole Moravec is 23 and grew up in Faribault, Minnesota. Their parents divorced when they were fifteen. They were assigned female at birth and identify as non-binary and genderqueer. To them bein...
  14. Interview with Daye Pope

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: Jean-Nickolaus Tretter Collection, University of Minnesota
    Creator: Pope, Daye
    Date: May 20, 2017
    Topics: Appearance, Assigned gender, Bullying, Change of name, Clothing, Family members, Femininities, Feminism, Gender diversity, Gender dysphoria, Hair, Health, Health care, Homelessness, Hormones, Labour, LGBTQ+ relationships, Politics, Poverty, Pronoun, Schools, Sexuality, Social advocacy, Transgender community, Transgender people
    Subject: Caitlyn Jenner, Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), Environnmental Justice Community, Trans Union, Victory Fund
    Description: Daye Pope identifies as a woman and was assigned male at birth. She was born in Centerville, Iowa and spent part of her childhood on a farm outside Nashua, Iowa. She spent the bulk of her school ye...
  15. Interview with Awen Briem

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: Jean-Nickolaus Tretter Collection, University of Minnesota
    Creator: Briem, Awen
    Date: Dec. 28, 2015
    Topics: Acceptance, Appearance, Assigned gender, Bullying, Change of name, Clothing, Coming out, Communities, Employment discrimination, Femininities, Gender diversity, Gender dysphoria, Gender identity, Harassment, Health care, HIV/AIDS, Homophobia, Hormones, Language, LGBTQ+ partners, Masculinities, Politics, Religions, Schools, Sexuality, Social media, Suicide, Surgery, Therapies, Transgender people, Transphobia, Youth
    Subject: OutFront Minnesota
    Description: Awen Briem identifies as transgender and as male if he’s not out to them. He was assigned female at birth and grew up in Syracuse, New York. His family then moved to Des Moines, Iowa. He experience...
  16. Interview with K. Davis Senseman

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: Jean-Nickolaus Tretter Collection, University of Minnesota
    Creator: Senseman, K. Davis
    Date: Jan. 10, 2017
    Topics: Abuse, Appearance, Assigned gender, Clothing, Families, Gender diversity, Gender dysphoria, Gender identity, Genderfluid identity, Masculinities, Politics, Pronoun, Racism, Transgender people, Women, Black, Working class
    Subject: Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA)
    Description: K. Davis Senseman is 41. He identifies as genderqueer and gender non-conforming and uses all pronouns. She was assigned female at birth and is an only child. He grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania ...
  17. Interview with Hayden Mora

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: Jean-Nickolaus Tretter Collection, University of Minnesota
    Creator: Mora, Hayden
    Date: Sep. 26, 2016
    Topics: Alcoholism, Assigned gender, Clothing, Educational institutions, Family members, Gender diversity, Gender role, Health, HIV/AIDS, Hormones, Housing, Lesbian identity, Marriage law, Masculinities, Physical health, Pluralism, Politics, Poverty, Pronoun, Racism, Testosterone, Therapies, Transgender people, Working class, Xenophobia
    Subject: Human Rights Campaign (HRC)
    Description: Hayden Mora is an organizer originally from Boston, MA, working in Washington, DC. In this oral history, he shares his experiences with things like addiction and sobriety; having a narrative that i...
  18. Interview with Maxwell Poessnecker

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: Jean-Nickolaus Tretter Collection, University of Minnesota
    Creator: Poessnecker, Maxwell
    Date: Jul. 6, 2017
    Topics: Appearance, Assigned gender, Bullying, Clothing, Coming out, Counseling, Families, Feminism, FtMs, Gender diversity, Gender identity, Health care, Lesbian identity, Masculinities, Mastectomy, Mental health, Passing (Gender), Pronoun, Separation, Sexual orientation, Surgery, Transgender community, Transgender people
    Subject: Queer for Career
    Description: Maxwell Poessnecker is a 26-year-old queer trans masculine guy who was assigned female at birth. They use they/them pronouns, but predominately also use he/him pronouns depending on the space they ...
  19. Interview with finn schneider

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: Jean-Nickolaus Tretter Collection, University of Minnesota
    Creator: schneider, finn
    Date: Aug. 4, 2017
    Topics: Acceptance, Assigned gender, Body image, Change of name, Clothing, Criminalization, Crossdressing, Discrimination, Educational institutions, Family members, Femininities, Gender diversity, Gender identity, Gender realignment surgery, Genderfluid identity, Health care, Hormones, Intersectionality (Sociology), Jews, Marriage, Masculinities, Mental health, Partners of transgender people, Passing (Gender), Pronoun, Religions, Roman catholicism, Sexuality, Transgender community, Transgender people, Universities
    Description: finn schneider identifies as a white transgender queer, non-binary, and trans masculine. They were 32 at the time of the interview. They were assigned female at birth. They are of German heritage a...
  20. Interview with Toni Pajak

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: Jean-Nickolaus Tretter Collection, University of Minnesota
    Creator: Pajak, Toni
    Date: Nov. 23, 2015
    Topics: Acceptance, Assigned gender, Body image, Christianity, Classism, Coming out, Crossdressers, Dating, Depression, Diabetes, Discrimination, Divorce, Employment discrimination, Family members, Gender diversity, Gender realignment surgery, Hair--Removal, Health insurance, Heterosexual women, Hormones, Information technology, LGBTQ+ relationships, Marriage, Military, MtFs, Politics, Pregnancy, Public safety, Racism, Religions, Sexual orientation, Sexual practices, Social media, Sports, Therapies, Transitioning (Gender), Transsexual people
    Description: Toni Pajak identifies as a transsexual woman assigned male at birth. She was born in 1968. She grew up in North Minneapolis, Minnesota and went to grade school in the early 1970s. Her parents divor...
  21. Interview with Neno Miller

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: Jean-Nickolaus Tretter Collection, University of Minnesota
    Creator: Miller, Neno
    Date: Nov. 29, 2016
    Topics: Assigned gender, Bathrooms, Bisexuality, Body image, Bullying, Change of name, Clothing, Coming out, Femininities, Gay identity, Gender diversity, Gender realignment surgery, Journalists, Lesbians, LGBTQ+ relationships, Masculinities, Politics, Reading, Sexual orientation, Stonewall riots, Therapies, Tomboys, Transgender people, Transphobia
    Subject: Affordable Care Act, University of Minnesota
    Description: Neno Miller identifies as genderqueer, non-binary, trans masculine, and also with the term gender fuck. They were assigned female at birth. Miller grew up in Medford, Wisconsin, which is an isolate...
  22. Interview with Faye Seidler

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: Jean-Nickolaus Tretter Collection, University of Minnesota
    Creator: Seidler, Faye
    Date: Oct. 15, 2016
    Topics: AIDS education, Assigned gender, Bullying, Crossdressing, Depression, Discrimination, Divorce, Gender diversity, Gender dysphoria, Gender realignment surgery, Hair--Removal, Hormones, Hospitals, Insurance, Isolation, Legal name, Masculinities, MtFs, Passing (Gender), Polyamory, Puberty, Sexuality, Suicidal behavior, Therapies, Transgender people, Transitioning (Gender), Transphobia, Working class, Writers
    Subject: Grey Ace Trans Woman, The Great Plains Affirming Campus Conference
    Description: Faye Seidler identifies as a gray ace transgender woman and was assigned male at birth. She mostly grew up in Fargo, North Dakota and in many other towns within North Dakota. She was bullied in sch...
  23. Interview with Jess Dugan

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: Jean-Nickolaus Tretter Collection, University of Minnesota
    Creator: Dugan, Jess
    Date: Jan. 22, 2016
    Topics: Appearance, Arts, Assigned gender, Bathrooms, Bullying, Coming out, Communities, Dating, Divorce, Families, FtMs, Gender diversity, Gender dysphoria, Gender identity, Gender realignment surgery, Hormones, Lesbian identity, LGBTQ+ partners, Marriage, Masculinities, Passing (Gender), Photography, Puberty, Self-acceptance
    Subject: Dykes to Watch Out For, Gay Straight Alliance (GSA), Massachusetts College of Art & Design, Transcending Boundaries, True Spirit
    Description: Jess Dugan identifies as genderqueer and gender variant and was assigned female at birth. Her parents divorced when she was 7 after her mom came out as a lesbian. She grew up in Little Rock, Arkans...
  24. Interview with Stef Wilenchek

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: Jean-Nickolaus Tretter Collection, University of Minnesota
    Creator: Wilenchek, Stef
    Date: Sep. 11, 2015
    Topics: Bisexuality, Coming out, Depression, Disabilities, Discrimination, Eating disorders, Family members, Gender diversity, Gender dysphoria, Gender identity, Health insurance, Heteronormativity, Higher education, Homophobia, Hormone therapy, Hormones, Intersex, Justice, LGBTI community, LGBTQ+ partners, Parenthood, Police brutality, Politics, Pronoun, Puberty, Race, Racism, Schools, Self-acceptance, Sexism, Sexuality, Transgender community, Transphobia, Violence
    Subject: Laverne Cox
    Description: Stef Wilenchek shares their experiences growing up middle class in the South, coming out as gay in college and discovering their genderqueer identity through their work in LGBTQ college student ser...
  25. Interview with EJ Olson

     
    Collection: Audio and Video Clips and Transcripts
    Institution: Jean-Nickolaus Tretter Collection, University of Minnesota
    Creator: Olson, EJ
    Date: Dec. 16, 2016
    Topics: AIDS organizations, Allies, Appearance, Artists, Assigned gender, Bullying, Colleges, Coming out, Communities, Counseling, Dating, Families, Gender diversity, Gender identity, Gender realignment surgery, Health care, Hormones, Hysterectomy, Marriage, Masculinities, Pronoun, Racism, Religions, Self-acceptance, Sexual orientation, Theatre, Therapies, Transgender community, Transitioning (Gender), Women's colleges
    Subject: Callen Lorde, Chatham College, Family Tree Clinic, Garden State Equality, LGBT Task Force, LGBTQ Center, Rainbow Health Initiative, Riot Girl Feminism, Trans Hormone Care Program
    Description: EJ Olson was 37 at the time of the interview and was assigned female at birth. They identify as genderqueer, gender non-conforming, and gender fluid and grew up in Empire, Michigan. They are the ol...